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		<title>Phish-Type Complex Hippie Rock &#8211; in the early 70&#8242;s?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#160; Sorry, hitting play is mandatory to reading this post&#8230; I thought it would be &#8220;mind blowing&#8221; idea to post about good hippie rock from the early 70&#8242;s that was &#8220;complex!&#8221;  But now I realize just how retarded that thought is.  Of Course there was good hippie rock in the 70&#8242;s. And even stuff that was [...]]]></description>
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<p>I thought it would be &#8220;mind blowing&#8221; idea to post about good hippie rock from the early 70&#8242;s that was &#8220;complex!&#8221;  But now I realize just how retarded that thought is.  <em>Of Course</em> there was good hippie rock in the 70&#8242;s. And even stuff that was complex.  </p>
<p><em>The late 60&#8242;s and 70&#8242;s is when hippies actually existed&#8230;</em> </p>
<p>This said, the stuff me and you and everyone else probably &#8220;most remembers&#8221; from this period is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creedence_Clearwater_Revival">Creedence</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Hendrix">Hendrix</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Yardbirds">The Yardbirds</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doors">The Doors</a>.  It&#8217;s not stuff that was overly-complex.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8211; I love this stuff &#8212; I love Hendrix and even happen to be  playing Hendrix, this second, as I type this.   (Look for a post with a little Hendrix coming very shortly, actually).  Two real genres seemed to emerge out of the music from these guys.  The first is a blues/folk/rock orientation (think <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton">Clapton</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zepplin">Led Zepplin</a>, etc).   And a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock">Progressive Rock</a> movement.</p>
<p>The stuff you&#8217;re listening to right now is definitively in the &#8220;Progressive Rock&#8221; category, and from the early 70&#8242;s if it needs to be stated again.  After I heard the stuff you&#8217;re listening to as we speak for the first time, I gained a flair for &#8220;Progressive Rock,&#8221; and started exploring it deeply.  Some of it is pretty good, right?</p>
<p>Prog Rock, as it&#8217;s called, is actually an influence I got from listening from regular-old <a href="http://www.sirius.com/">Sirius Satelitte Radio</a> of all places.  When I first got Sirius I was super psyched though I quickly faded out as I realized many of my favorite channels, like <a href="www.sirius.com/jamon">Jam On!</a>, were playing the same crap 3-4 times a day just like crappy FM classic rock stations.  However, their station &#8220;The Vault&#8221; &#8211; their deep tracks/non-commercial classic rock station (which is now XM Channel &#8220;Deep Tracks&#8221; &#8212; which is also equally as good or maybe even better ) &#8211; turned me on to both artists you&#8217;re listening to.</p>
<p>It was actually a song that a DJ from their show &#8220;Progressions&#8221; took on as pet-favorite song and played a lot.  I&#8217;d identify him except I can&#8217;t get the damn Sirius Satellite Radio site to load (and would comment in general: Sirius- your site blows.  It&#8217;s fancy looking, but it sucks.  It&#8217;s not usable and loads like ass.  Also, your password/login aspects also totally suck).</p>
<p>The thing about Prog Rock is it got really dorky really quick into the 70&#8242;s.  There were plenty of bands that emerged from it with good mainstream tracks (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_(band)">Genesis</a>, for example), but overall it got complicated and weird, became <em>exceptionally male</em>, and drug induced in a lot of ways. </p>
<p>It also, I guess much like late-60&#8242;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_jazz">Free Jazz</a>, got sort of hard to listen to.  And finally, it also took an unusually interesting and odd <em>European</em> slant with strong infleunce from <em>classic music</em> of all things.  That&#8217;s right, rock meets classical music.   Sounds dorky, right?  Unfortunately that&#8217;s the case with these two bands.  But these two tracks from them are breakouts and are a little more listenable but you can sense some classical influences, in particularly the second song.</p>
<p>The first song is by <strong><em>Khan</em></strong> &#8211; a British band from about 1971-1972.  I don&#8217;t have too much to say about them except read their <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_(band)">wikipedia article</a> if you want to explore them further.  Most of their limited amount of stuff is pretty good actually.   I call it &#8220;<em>virgin </em>prog rock.&#8221;  There was a fine cusp in the early 70&#8242;s where the prog rock bands hadn&#8217;t gone off the deep end yet and were still listenable, in almost an early Pink Floyd style, before even Pink Floyd themselves Euro-prog-rocked-off the deep end in the late late 70s and early 80&#8242;s. </p>
<p>The second is the song is from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_(band)">Focus</a>, a Dutch prog rock band.  This song, <em>Questions? Answers!  Answers?  Questions!</em> is actually sort of a long, sweeping, second half of their one and only hit song &#8220;Hocus Pocus.&#8221;  If you listened to FM classic rock stations, once in a while a song would play where there was a guy yodeling.  You would recognize it if you heard it.  But this song is sort of like a 17-minute second part of it, where it gets a little crazy, long, drawn out, and actually pretty soulful of all things.  Then a sick rock jam, extremely methodic, at the end.  This band also had a weird setup where the band leader, their organ player, also played the flute.  I really dig the organ player.  Particularly his ability to <em>just turn it up,</em> in all the grit of the organ, in almost a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Medeski">John Medeski</a> style.</p>
<p>So we have a little of everything with <em>Focus</em>&#8230;   What is most impressive about these guys, though, is their guitar player.  He is <em>just sick</em>.   <a href="http://milkmansound.com/">Timmy Marcus</a>, if you&#8217;re out there and are reading this, he actually reminds me a lot of your playing from high school &amp; college, with it&#8217;s particularly complex but smooth rock playing&#8230;   I also love the style where he goes a little &#8216;surfer&#8217; particularly at the beginning of his solo, after the flute solo, for a few minutes.   Shows a real sense of discipline with style and feel..   This is why I chose this <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Live-at-Rainbow-Focus/dp/B00005B360">live version of the song</a> as it&#8217;s much more drawn out surfer style versus their (also awesome) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_III">recorded/studio version</a>. </p>
<p>Does it seem like the music Phish played could be a natural progression for these guys?   The last song is <em>Divide Sky</em>, a signature trippy jam from Phish.  It&#8217;s also the best of Phish (and all the other stuff on their <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junta_(album)">Junta</a> album), according to me.  To me, Divided Sky Phish = the U.S. dorky white guy progression of 70’s prog rock in the 80’s and 90’s.  I think that’s pretty cool, personally…    It turns out I might be onto something here: when I google <em>Phish Junta,</em> there are tons and tons of Progressive Rock references.  I like that even the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junta_(album)">Wikipedia article</a> says &#8220;it is considered by many to be the group&#8217;s masterpiece.&#8221;   Right on&#8230; </p>
<p>I have to say my patience for researching and listening to prog rock diminished relatively quickly once I got into it.  Maybe there are tons of other bands out there I should listen to, but I couldn&#8217;t find them.  I downloaded albums from  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_(band)">Egg</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_(band)">Khan</a>(the first of the songs you&#8217;re listening too), and the Italian Prog Rock band <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premiata_Forneria_Marconi">Premiata, Forneria, Macaroni</a>.   All three of these are all pretty damn good too.  Pretty trippy to listening to decent or even sick prog rock with vocals&#8230; In Italian.  It turns out there&#8217;s even a whole <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_progressive_rock">Italian prog rock genre</a>&#8230;  </p>
<p>These guys were all referred to me via social media forums (the new, &#8220;mildly trendy&#8221; way of saying &#8220;chat rooms&#8221; or people with similar interests).  I&#8217;d asked about bands that were similar to the British band <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_(band)">Yes</a>, who I&#8217;ve been on &amp; off been listening to since college.  They&#8217;re powered by their <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Anderson">awesome lead singer</a>,  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Squire">sick bass player</a>, and their organ player as well.   These three bands are similar because they all have organ players as well (well, four bands, including Focus).   I feel like even in Prog Rock the organ still adds a ton of soul. </p>
<p>The interesting thing is, if you&#8217;ve listened to a lot of Phish (I did, graduating from a New England boarding school in &#8217;97) then you know they take a lot of liberties, particularly musically, but performance wise as well.  Fish (the drummer) would break out a vacuum player and start &#8216;playing&#8217; that.  Or they&#8217;d do an A Capella piece.  On one of their performances on New Year&#8217;s Eve they even hopped in a giant hot dog and flew around the roof of <a href="http://www.thegarden.com/">Madison Square Garden</a>: </p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-676" title="hotdogedit" src="http://www.andre2000.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/hotdogedit.jpg" alt="hotdogedit" width="621" height="472" /></p>
<p>It&#8217;s an extreme case but you can get hear from both the songs and styles one more trait where Phish draws it&#8217;s influence from Prog Rock. </p>
<p><em>Let me know if you have any thoughts!</em></p>
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